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What, AGAIN?

So LJ is deleting journals again, only this time, they're actually looking at the content, applying the Miller Test and nuking the ones that flunk it. And if you need Literary or Artistic value to pass the Miller Test, then, face it, a lot of the shite that gets put out is not exactly going to pass muster.

And while I do think there are better ways they could go about it (like, say, warning people) and the quiet shift from strikethrough to boldface is kinda laughable, I still think fandom needs to get a fucking grip.

This entry by synecdochic pretty much sums up the situation better than I could even attempt.

Similar kerfuffles have flourished around Second Life. But people are really directing their rage in the wrong direction. If a company changes its policies to comply with existing law, do you vent your spleen at the company for changing the policy? Maybe, just maybe, you should be directing your ire at the governments that are passing and enforcing these laws to begin with. Or is it just easier to piss and moan in blogs about it?

Today I took pleasure in wearing velvet.

Today I learned that LJ/Six Apart went and did it AGAIN.

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azewewish
Aug. 3rd, 2007 10:58 pm (UTC)
Yes, but, according to the TOS that LJ has had for years, they're not obligated TO warn you. The strikethrough thing is pretty shady, but, they don't have to warn anyone before bouncing them.

I swear, fannish entitlement just makes me want to bitchslap people.
wonderbink
Aug. 3rd, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
I swear, fannish entitlement just makes me want to bitchslap people.

Don't get me started. I nearly got in a fight with a friend of yours over the word "kink". (And I'm sure your friend's a lovely person, but claiming I'm insulting her by pointing out the definition of the word and its attendant implications . . . just baffles me.)

It's that kind of "it means what I want it to mean" attitude about fandom that bugs me on so many levels. I've had a rant brewing for some time about how most fanfic ultimately dilutes the experience of the work it claims to be respecting. Perhaps I should write and post it now, while fandom's too busy worrying about other things.
azewewish
Aug. 3rd, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
Which friend?

AND YES, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's why I rarely read or write in the Harry Potter or Supernatural fandoms, because I'm interested in the CANON, not the FANON.

I knew there was a reason you're still one of my very favorite peoples, even after all these years. *g*
wonderbink
Aug. 3rd, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
Um, you had a link to her journal mentioning you'd done all your ranting about the miscegenation kerfuffle over there, so I trundled over to see you rant. And made the tragic mistake of putting in my two cents.

See, you're the reason I have to stop from a blanket condemnation of all fanfic ever. Because you do it from a sane point of view, and you do it well.

But most of this stuff . . . it becomes a kind of echo chamber of sheer and absolute WRONGNESS. The picture at the heading of that fanfic community just drove it home to me--a picture of Harry Potter in garters and a chain collar. Harry Fucking Potter in stockings and bondage. That just sums it up right there--this entire subculture of people who have gotten so wrapped up in their own little circle-jerk of fanfic, who have become so desensitized that they can't even grasp what a fucking insult that is to J. K. Rowling and her works.
azewewish
Aug. 4th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC)
Okay, I know who you mean now & just read over your exchange. *shakes head* She did go a bit over the top in her reaction to you, I agree.

And thank you. I do try to have SOME respect for the source material. Possibly why the idea of RP appeals to me a lot more. *shrugs*

At any rate, yes, your point about the HP fandom is precisely the point that I've brought up time & again to anyone about the Harry/Draco pairing. And the same point I've made in Supernatural about the Wincest. I mean, hey, I'm ALL for hot men getting it on together & reading/writing/watching it. But, you know, I do insist that there is SOME reason behind it, especially when dealing with another persons' creations. And never, ever, in a BILLION years, would Harry ever fuck his mortal enemy or would Dean fuck his brother. There are just some things that make no sense and, in fact, are COUNTER to the works that fanfic 'supposedly' is honoring.

And that's my very unpopular fandom opinion. *g*
wonderbink
Aug. 4th, 2007 12:16 am (UTC)
There are just some things that make no sense and, in fact, are COUNTER to the works that fanfic 'supposedly' is honoring.

It's like they're not even really writing about the work, they're just taking the pretty characters and playing action figures with them.

And that's my very unpopular fandom opinion.

And I love you for it. :)
britpoptarts
Aug. 12th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
The dumb ones ruin it for everyone else. AGAIN.
I agree with you both, and y'all know I did my time beta'ing teh slash back in the day, even though it ain't my bag. RP slash in particular (R indicating 'real,' P meaning 'people,' not 'roleplay', here).

I support expanding upon canon in ways that follow the rules and Earth Logic assumptions set down by the original writer of canon. Exploring a side jaunt in canon that was not examined fully due to editorial constraints, not illogic, can make for an entertaining read if done by a skilled writer. A good test is if someone who doesn't give a crap about the particular fandom still enjoys the story, and feels they know the characters well enough from the fanfic writing to enjoy the plot twists and events in the fanfic. The less someone knows about your particular niche fandom, the better a beta they will be. (Alas, this is why I got stuck with slashproofing. I'm pro-being whatever you are, sexually, but could probably not be less interested in reading about two canon-het folk bumping uglies if there were candies and bribes involved to pique that interest. If I could be convinced that the scenario might, just might, have occurred at some point, and the story read well, it probably didn't suck. Much.)

Things about fandom that really piss me off:
1. Other people don't give a crap. Please get other additional interests, so you do not bore everyone.
2. Being a Big Name Fan is a generally empty prize, much like winning the Doesn't Sweat Much For A Fat Chick gold medal award. Speaking as one who was thrust into BNFness and took years to escape from it.
3. Melodrama about how your fandom saved you from social retardation, illness, mental illness, suicide or self-harm really make me worry about you.
4. Insisting that you know better than the participants involved (actors in a film, writers of books/scripts/etc., band members, team mates) what "really" happened is delusional. It goes beyond speculative fiction at that point.
5. If you are not twelve, then banding together with socially retarded peers and feeding off of each other's social retardation to annoy other members of your fandom or outsiders is BAD. Stoppit.
6. Feeling jealous rather than happy for peers who have had an enjoyable fan experience you wish you had experienced.
7. Sock puppetry for fun and profit. You are not more right if you and all twenty of your alter egos show up to argue that you are right.
8. Refusing to acknowledge any flaws your fandom or objects of interest in your fandom might have. "Arena" was embarrassing. Sane Duran fans acknowledge this. Insane ones think it is high art because it has a reference to a softcore French comic book that was later a film. Ooh. Art.
9. Shipping in general is tiresome to me, but that is a personal gripe. If the writers put a couple together, I accept it. If they don't, I accept it. I don't spend a lot of time poking at the possibility. In fact, I generally dislike situations that make a big deal about ships. X Files jumped the shark when Chris Carter pandered to Philes and got Mulder and Scully to hook up and breed.
10. A real person's sexual inclination and preference isn't really cool to speculate about unless it is generally known and discussed by said person. No, Merry Whosits is not secretly sucking Frodo's toes behind a bush in Chapter Twelve. Or in the trailers between takes. "Gandalf", however, has a fucking hot real life boyfriend. It is entirely possible there was some hot boy on boy lurve in the Wizard's Winnebago occasionally.

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britpoptarts
Aug. 12th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
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11. If a character is supposed to be 12, what possesses you to spend hours lovingly sketching him or her having sex with an adult and not seeing that there may be a slight problem with this? If nothing else, it is distasteful. Quick guideline: can you show this to your grandmother and your pastor (or imam or rabbi, or whatever)? It's probably not okay to upload to Teh Intarweeblez. Srsly. What's your motivation for this, if not to titillate someone, if only yourself?
12. Characters are not paper dolls that you can write absolutely anything about. Also, spelling, grammar, punctuation, paragraph breaks, plot, characterization, showing rather than telling and lack of cliches are all required in GOOD writing.
13. Mary Sue and Gary Stu can go get bent.
14. Lack of well-roundedness in life. There are things outside of your fandom 'verse. Truly. A sense of perspective is useful in life. Enjoy your fandom. Just give it a rest once in a blue moon.
15. Just because you want something to be true, it does not make it true.
16. Speculation and satisfaction with said speculation is no substitute for actual research, logic, and canon.
17. Don't expect outsiders to understand fandom-specific slang, acronyms, band member names, footnotes, the name of the gaffer on the set, your favourite character's girlfriend's birthdate, and so on. why would outsiders care? Conversely, don't be surprised if an outsider does happen to know some of the Sacred Secret Insider Information, as s/he probably saw the same TV show / website / interview you did.
18. Do not tattoo your fandom on your body. It is unkind to name your children after your fandom. If your dog is named after a Hobbit or a Jedi, do not be surprised if Obi-Wan the poodle bites you.
19. "Rape" is not a synonym for being talked into having sex so you don't feel guilty or dirty.
20. "Incest" is not healthy or sexy or titillating. Family members who are close do not secretly desire to have sexual intercourse with each other.
21. Even if two characters you find attractive are gender- and sexual-preference-appropriate for each other, that does not automatically mean they "should" hook up. If they are not sexual-preference-appropriate partners, bending the laws of space and time to make them bi or gay when they are not is not "being gay positive," it is called "having a sexual kink that is sparked by writing or reading about fictional people getting it on".

I could go on, but I'm getting repetitive.


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